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Are our liberties threatened?

Lämmchen

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In the US the Governors have the power to enforce restrictions during the shut down. Some of these governors have such great inconsistencies it makes me wonder why they feel the need to garner so much control over the public? I think that some of these restrictions that have been forced onto us might not be so easy to be released

Do you feel that your liberties are being threatened?
 

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We are like minded? Use discord? DM me. I think its a cover up the covid-19 for somethings far more sinister. Look at all the gun rights advocates who want them gone, those same people are flocking to gun stores to buy a gun only to find out they live in a state that banned guns or they have a waiting period. And when said period is over they may go buy the gun and its sold out.
 

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I am thrilled the governors, at least mine, have essentially shut down businesses that are non essential and have restricted several other things in hopes to curve the COVID-19 pandemic.

I think its a cover up the covid-19 for somethings far more sinister.
I'm sorry, but this virus is real. Losing patients to this, is real. The fear of going into a room without enough PPE to help someone with COVID-19 is real. The horror of watching them take their final breath because they could not recover from this virus is real. The fact that I have not seen my family or friends for over a month because I have been exposed and I do not want to give it to them, or anyone else, is real - but because I am in healthcare and because I do help care for people requires that all of this fear and pain all of us healthcare workers have on a daily basis, we have to set aside because the person laying in front of me trying to breathe is also scared for his life.

We have people protesting to re-open the state - the hospitals cannot take more patients with COVID-19 because people are stupid enough not to abide by the precautions, but when it comes time, we'll be there taking care of them and hoping they don't die, even though they were part of the reason why we have the shutdowns extended for a reason.

The virus is real, not some cover up that the nations randomly decided to have to kill off half their countries, unless the whole plan was to devastate Italy in ways they won't be able to recover, or have dead bodies sitting outside in tractor trailers because we can't fit anymore in our morgue.

it makes me wonder why they feel the need to garner so much control over the public?
The public is stupid - that, is why. Because the public seems to think that governments, need I mention all around the world and not just the US, have it out for their population, but when the time comes and they are diagnosed with COVID19, they understand that maybe the government wasn't all crazy to begin with...

But you know, "if you get sick, just go to the hospital, right?" - because healthcare workers aren't working 24 hour shifts with 6 hours of sleep already, why not ignore the governments and world health organizations because the hospital will be there when we get sick... funny, because of this, we have to turn others away when they come to the ER because we cannot expose them to the virus, or push past surgery's that bring in income for the hospital - so not only are healthcare workers being worked to the bone (I cried twice just 3 hours ago..) but they're also facing layoffs and decreases in pay because the hospitals cannot survive currently. And yet, we'll still care for everyone involved because that is what we do.

Liberties are not threatened, my life, all of our lives, are though. I would rather not contract COVID-19 because the public wants to reopen their states and businesses and create a area for this virus to thrive. Your liberties? Please. Be in my shoes for a day.

But, yeah, the government is just crazy.
 
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I suppose I should make myself clearer when I talk about our liberties being threatened. In some states you can't even buy mulch at a store but you can go in and buy other things. In some states you can't visit a park (not saying playground) that's outside but you can go to Lowes. In some states you can't go outside in your own yard to mow the lawn.

Do any of those things seem fair?
 

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I suppose I should make myself clearer when I talk about our liberties being threatened. In some states you can't even buy mulch at a store but you can go in and buy other things. In some states you can't visit a park (not saying playground) that's outside but you can go to Lowes. In some states you can't go outside in your own yard to mow the lawn.

Do any of those things seem fair?
Some of it does seem like a reach, but a lot of that is up to the stores, not the government mandates. Why do you need mulch? Why must you go out to the store, expose all the workers there and yourself, because you need mulch? Our Walmart here has blocked off everything except for food and other essential products. You can’t buy TV’s or anything, and it makes no sense to go outside in a public health emergency because you need a TV. People expose others to the disease. It’s because of those going in public for non-life threatening essential items that the disease spreads, even going out for essential items causes spread.

why do you need to go outside and visit a park? The point is not to be in public. Just because you’re not in crowds doesn’t mean someone exposed didn’t touch something that you’re going to touch. How many times have you touched your face In the past hour? Week? Hiking trails could be cool, but what if someone coughs on the trail and you step on the droplet? You bring it into your house and poof, contaminated. Seems pretty “what if” but that’s the point. Because what if?

Lowes is essential. Get your mulch there if you need. What if you need an AC unit or a plumbing emergency? You can fix it then. But, you know, parks contain emergency supplies for when your water heater explodes or your AC dies and you need to fix it or buy a new one. Or mulch...

So yes, it seems fair. Stay in your house and you’d be fine. Stay home for us so we can go to work and get this over with.
 
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Some of it does seem like a reach, but a lot of that is up to the stores, not the government mandates. Why do you need mulch? Why must you go out to the store, expose all the workers there and yourself, because you need mulch? Our Walmart here has blocked off everything except for food and other essential products. You can’t buy TV’s or anything, and it makes no sense to go outside in a public health emergency because you need a TV. People expose others to the disease. It’s because of those going in public for non-life threatening essential items that the disease spreads, even going out for essential items causes spread.

why do you need to go outside and visit a park? The point is not to be in public. Just because you’re not in crowds doesn’t mean someone exposed didn’t touch something that you’re going to touch. How many times have you touched your face In the past hour? Week? Hiking trails could be cool, but what if someone coughs on the trail and you step on the droplet? You bring it into your house and poof, contaminated. Seems pretty “what if” but that’s the point. Because what if?

Lowes is essential. Get your mulch there if you need. What if you need an AC unit or a plumbing emergency? You can fix it then. But, you know, parks contain emergency supplies for when your water heater explodes or your AC dies and you need to fix it or buy a new one. Or mulch...

So yes, it seems fair. Stay in your house and you’d be fine. Stay home for us so we can go to work and get this over with.
I live in the country. I rarely see people when I'm out on my walks so why on earthy should I be forced to stay inside? It doesn't make sense. If you live in the city where it's crowded with people then that makes more sense for more strict rules.

This is why big cities should not decide laws for the entire country...because they just don't apply all around.
 

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Just watch, yes covid is deadly my mom is a nurse working with them if i contract it i will die. But theres a lot of stuff going on the background not being talked about. This is just the calm before the storm because t he second wave will be worse when countries reopen
 

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Just watch, yes covid is deadly my mom is a nurse working with them if i contract it i will die. But theres a lot of stuff going on the background not being talked about. This is just the calm before the storm because t he second wave will be worse when countries reopen
I don't think anyone is arguing that it can be deadly...for some. For the majority it's not deadly and the data is showing that about half the people who get it don't even know it.

I had something similar to the symptoms listed minus the cough in early February and at the time it wasn't supposed to be in my area so I didn't know what I had. At first I thought maybe it was the flu since it came on so suddenly but then it left just as suddenly and it was not any normal type of flu I ever had before...which isn't too often because I rarely get sick.

So I'm excited about the thought of getting an antibody test to know if what I had was the virus. I am a 2 time cancer survivor and I have 2 auto immune disorders and the media is putting it into everyone's head that they're gonna die! That's a problem.
 

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First of all, unified measures against the virus is not possible because every city is different.

But the virus is real, people in Guayaquil, Ecuador leave their relative's coffins in the street because they don't wanna have them in their house because they had Covid-19. This pandemic threat has reached unsuspected heights and the measures should be strict in a place where a lot of peeps live. We have less than 500 infected people for the past 50 days and that's quite an achievement considering that a lot of foreigners come and go because our country is well seen for Europeans/Asians for starting new businesses (low tax).

Anyway, if you can avoid going outside please refrain from doing it, this is a special situation and if you live with your parents or grand parents think twice, if you get it you probably won't die but your parents have more chances to perish than you.
 

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As @Laifot said I can understand that even though our liberties may be at a disadvantage it's still good to follow the stay-at-home rules I suppose. At least until the situation calms down which I believe it's starting to. It does bother me quite a bit when law makers try and break the constitution. Now please don't get mad at me for saying this as I completely agree that this is truly a pandemic but it's the act of going against the constitution that personally bothers me. There are other ways to handle it by forcing business to close except for food marts and the necessities like banking and so forth but it bothers me they would create this law, and that's only because you can serve jail time for it.

You got to understand that the law they're creating, if everyone were to follow it then I wouldn't be so bothered. It's the fact that you have to understand some people are going to and have already served jail time for it while their constitutional rights were removed. It's a bit discerning to say the least. The fact that it's temporary is why people are hanging in and clearly abiding by it for the most part. Imagine if they said you couldn't leave your house for 6 months to 1 year. Then you would really believe me when you felt like your rights were being tinkered with.

I know this is real and I know people are dying. I get that. I'm not saying that this precautionary measure was a bad idea. I'm just saying the fact that a law is behind it bothers me a bit. You would think that they would come up with better ways to stop it from spreading. The best way I said above would be to close stores down like they have done. I hope you understand that this is just my personal opinion.
 

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As @Laifot said I can understand that even though our liberties may be at a disadvantage it's still good to follow the stay-at-home rules I suppose. At least until the situation calms down which I believe it's starting to. It does bother me quite a bit when law makers try and break the constitution. Now please don't get mad at me for saying this as I completely agree that this is truly a pandemic but it's the act of going against the constitution that personally bothers me. There are other ways to handle it by forcing business to close except for food marts and the necessities like banking and so forth but it bothers me they would create this law, and that's only because you can serve jail time for it.

You got to understand that the law they're creating, if everyone were to follow it then I wouldn't be so bothered. It's the fact that you have to understand some people are going to and have already served jail time for it while their constitutional rights were removed. It's a bit discerning to say the least. The fact that it's temporary is why people are hanging in and clearly abiding by it for the most part. Imagine if they said you couldn't leave your house for 6 months to 1 year. Then you would really believe me when you felt like your rights were being tinkered with.

I know this is real and I know people are dying. I get that. I'm not saying that this precautionary measure was a bad idea. I'm just saying the fact that a law is behind it bothers me a bit. You would think that they would come up with better ways to stop it from spreading. The best way I said above would be to close stores down like they have done. I hope you understand that this is just my personal opinion.
You also have cities releasing some of the prison inmates so they don't catch the virus but arresting parents who take their children to the park to play.

There are a great many people who won't die from the virus (isn't the survival rate around 99%?) and yet the media has scared us into submission instead of isolating those who are most at risk. We have failed our nursing homes and assisted living facilities where they have endured the most hardships and deaths during this time. I don't remember the percentage in my state but it was a high one in deaths from those types of locations. Granted the workers in those facilities do NOT make great money and aren't trained on procedures for pandemics but now is a time for people to learn those skills.

Scientists are conflicting on whether or not sun light kills the virus. If they find that it indeed does then going outside and being in the sun is a good thing and you shouldn't be so afraid if you're at an open space trying to get some exercise. I know people who are so afraid someone is going to breathe on them.

If you're going to be arrested for things you should freely be able to do (like go outside!) then are you truly liberated still?
 

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